Hmm...I think I'll take that challenge. Make your statement and I'll respond. At least until Char gets here.

<Continued from earlier post>
... finding voice actors in other series. This one both is and isn't a guilty pleasure. For one thing, you may watch a popular anime series, like Cowboy Bebop, and take a liking to the guy playing the role of Spike Spiegel (who, in the dubbed version, is David Lucas). Then, while watching the Gundam Movie Trilogy, you suddenly find him playing the role of Char Aznable. That's one of the great things about anime: finding a familiar voice actor in another anime series. Some of those familiar VAs include:

Eric Stewart, who does the voice for Brock on Pokemon, also plays Gourry in The Slayers, and one of the students in Here Is Greenwood.

Amanda Winn-Lee, who does the voice of Rei Ayanami in Neon Genesis Evangelion, also provides the voices for Captain Tita in Plastic Little, Rio Kinezono in Burn-Up W, Yuna in Galaxy Frauline Yuna, and a whole mess of other characters in various series released by ADV Films.

Lia Sargent, who provides the voice of Millie Thompson in Trigun, also does voices for Akari Kanzaki in Battle Athletes, R. Dorothy Wainwright in The Big O, and Chun-Li in Street Fighter Alpha.

And this doesn't just apply to anime. The voice actors of the original Japanese Dragonball series also provide numerous voices for all of the characters in Tech Romancer (for Dreamcast).

However, this doesn't mean that all anime with familiar VAs is necessarily good. Some bad titles that come to mind are Art of Fighting (Eric Stuart played Jack and Veronica Kent [who's also the VA for Ash Ketchum from Pokemon] was Yuri Sakazaki]), Wild Cardz (real-life anime idol Apollo Smile played Coco Clubs), and Ninja Cadets (the aforementioned Lia Sargent was the VA for Matsuri).

Where do you get off, my friend? Have you even seen any Gundam outside of Wing?

Where to start, where to start...~mumbles to self~

Anyway, deeper characters in Wing? WTF?(Forgive the rather crewd expression.) Wing's major characters are about as deep as the nameless Leo pilots they blow to hell every episode. They aren't affected by very much at all. All they seem to do is spout speeches that take up half an episode(add the fact that the "speeches" are usually just random nonsense). They have no motivation other than the fact that they seem to enjoy watching things explode. On the other hand, a majority of characters on the UC side of the Gundam Universe have motivation, have a soul. You can feel for them(unlike Wings emotionless cardboard cut-outs).

The mecha in Wing, are too damn flashy. Mobile Suits are weapons of war, not showpieces. Add the fact that they seem to be able to take heavy enemy fire in one episode and emerge undamaged, yet in the next they take heavy damage. It's called plot contrivance, my friend. It's far to inconsistent, for my taste.

Drama is definently something Wing lacks. Wing can never compare to any series directed by Tomino, or for that matter, any UC series at all.(Well, ZZ did suck...but, we shall not discuss that now.) No main character ever dies, in Wing.(Except for Trieze, but you don't really feel for him, either.) I never felt for any character in Wing, because I knew they would survive. In war people die. In Universal Century Gundam, main characters die. In my opinion that is a much more accurate depiction of war. And is much more dramatic.

Gundam was created to depict war, and show that well, war is hell. Tell me if Wing, with all its bioshounen, and indestructible Gundams does that.

And I'll post more later...because it's late, and I'm a bit dusty, as far as my ranting goes.(I haven't been involved in a Wing vs. UC debate in a LONG time.)

Side Note: Please forgive any spelling or grammar errors. ~glares at Portugy~ I'm tired at the moment(I haven't slept well lately, and am in a fairly bad mood, at the moment).

We all truly know UC is better than Wing and those Alternate timeline Gundam shows, but I wont bring up that disscusion again. Zeta was the best! I have yet to fully see Char's counter attack, but ive heard the fight w/ Amuro and Char was pretty cool.

Yeah, I'm a anime mecha "otaku".

But, yes, I enjoy anime outside of Gundam. I'm currently buying both the Trigun and Cowboy Bebop DVDs, and I'm getting into EVA as well. I've also been a fan of the original Macross for quite some time. And of course, I'm a Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z fan. I enjoy random anime movies as well. Yep.

And yes, the fight between Amuro and Char is very cool. I was rooting for Char...but...well, you know how it ends. Also, Zeta is the best!

Man, this deserves a word (or two) from me..

Congrats to everyone who contributed to this post, to make it what it is... This is one of the longest threads on any board I've ever seen... VERY impressive..

(I'm praw'blee gonna say something every time another page is added, so bear with me)

I think we need an "anime" board.

As poster of this thread, I too have a few people to thank:

First off, Cland because whenever he see the post is flling in the rankings, he tells me he'll make it continue.

Next, I'd like to thank Char for all the exelent debates he's given. Also, kudos to him for watching Trigun and Bebop, as they, and Kenshin, are eating most of my money.

Nightwing and Chi Master, for just being anime fans who have something smart to say.

Portugy, for being Portugy.

Insane Ben, for his large knowledge of the Tenchi Universe and for agreeing that DoD sucked hardcore.

Kappa, for all the praise he's given this thread recently and for also keeping the peace around this place.

And finally, Kulilin for his HUGE posts that we all wish we could write. That and the fact that he's the only source of knowledge of HnK around here.

Well, sorry to get a little mushy there. I never expected the thread to go on like this. And to anyone I forgot to write thanks to: it's nothing personal, I most likely forgot your names.

Here's to everyone who's had a hand in keeping this post running for so long.

I feel so special. ~shudders with glee~

It will be the ultimate test for FUNImation when the Dragonball anime comes to video. Once I saw a episode in Japanese where Launch beats the crap out of the Red Ribbon army and then flicks a guy off, and says F*** you, you Basta**. We will be watching you Funimation, and to see once and for all if the anime is really "uncensord".

on an unrelated note...how DID funi handle the references to kami as god? was the joke "there is no god at the moment" (or something like that) just removed? i havent watched the dubs in a long time....but i havent been watching/reading anything for a long time

Thanks, Qk2Rusty...
I made it the other day...

the pixel size is 400 pixels across... the max size allowed... I'm probably going to make it smaller, however... Just for loading sake...

If you actually read all/most of these pages, you will actually find some usefull info.

Random anime/manga news:
-Viz has picked up the rights for Kodomo no Omocha (Childs toy) manga, so I would guess the anime is pretty close to being picked up.

-Looks like FUNI is going for the rights to bring One Piece to the US, I'm actually excited at the thought. I would hope that one of the best shows ever gets shown around here, everyone is missing out.

Thats all ive got for now. and now why I think Zeta Gundam is the best Gundam series.

Story: well its good, I dont want to say too much or I may spoil something.
Characters: you get Char and Amuro, plus a good set of new chacters like Kamiru.
Mobile suits: Rick Dias,Zeta,Hyaku Shiki and the MK's, I could go on...

After CN airs the original Gundam, I would think there's a good chance Zeta shows up sometime.

The Hyaku Shiki has to be one of my favorite MS, ever. Yep.

dude.... 12 pages, will this madness ever end? must resist....ahh......no....

side question, who actually knows japanese here?

Ah, so you've arrived. Well then. Your argument is strong, but you underestiamted Wing.

No motivation> Heero wants to destroy everything because J turned him into a soulless war machine. That's motivation for you. Duo fights for Hilde and L2, his home. They took him in and raised him, he needs to pay them back. Motivation? Yees. Trowa fights for Catherine, the one person who cares about him. Quatre fights for his family, his colony (he is a prince/king) and the Maganac. Wufei fights mostly for Nataku, but deep down he wants to help Sally as well. Indeed.

I have read Gundam 0079 vol. 1 and seen 0083 and 0080. Tomorrow the original MSG series begins, so I'll be watching that.

Take a look at Amuro, from Gundam 0079. What the HELL kind of motivation, depth, etc is THAT? He piloted the thing 'cause he uhh... wanted to save the world? Oh, wow. Depth at it's deepest. Char has a bit of motivation, I'm sure you know all about it (and I don't wanna hear it.)

Wing's mecha was a hell of a lot better drawn than the other series'. Flashy my ass, char. No matter how the hell flashy they look, it doesn't matter. It's great art and a huge step up for Gundam. I'll use Heavyarms Custom as my example. Take a look at the intricacy on the leg. The panel lines are perfectly placed, and every last detail on the leg guns are there. It takes mad skill to do that. And on the body? I love the way they decided to make the chest openers have guns on the inside as well. You can never have too much guns. Never. I was a little dissapointed that the hand blade was gone, but I was happier when I found that the shoulder had three sets of guns. Nii~ce.

Compare this suit to Char's Zaku. Very poor detail on the legs - the panel lines barely show up, and they don't go in comparison with the shape of the leg. The artist failed to realize that metal pieces can't come that big. Need more lines, and possibly show the screws or whatnot. The weapons are poorly designed - a shoulder spike thingy, a square shield and a bazooka? Oh, wait, a beam aze. WOW. @_@ At least Wing has a good set of weapons! Check out the weapons on the Tallgeeses. Two beam sabers (I like how it cxan hold them at the same time as it's [sweet] beam cannon.) It has guns on the side of it's head (so does Gundam, but still...) Tallgeese III even has a heat-rod!

Oh, and Char? If you're looking for "too flashy," you might want to see Full-Armor Double Z. I think that's on the... UC side?

Feh. Chat, pick ONE series to go against Wing. A one on one series battle. It seems a bit unfair for you to have 17+ series against my mear 2 or 3.

Heero's motivation is that he is a souless war machine? That's not motivation, my friend, that's character description. He rarely shows emotion, and is generally about as intersting as nameless Leo Pilot #906. Duo fights for Hilde? He didn't meet Hilde until around half way through the series(I may be wrong, I haven't watched Wing, in months.) What was his motivation beforehand? He's too damn carefree(Don't give me that B.S. about him being severely troubled "deep down inside"). Quatre is the only pilot that comes close to showing emotion, I'll give you that. Trowa is just well, boring as hell. He seems far to much like Heero. Wufei is well, just plain messed up. With his sense of justice. I believe someone at Gundam Project's board best summed up his sense of justice in someting very much like the following.
"You are weak, because you let the strong opress, you"
"Yet, you, who call yourself strong, are actually week, because you opress the weak, who are in actuality strong, because their full potential is never realized, because you opress them. Because of this, you are weak. Yet, you are strong because you opress others, displaying your strength."
And so on. Enough babble about that though.

And you say Amuro has no motivation? Lets see, the Zeon tore his life apart, when they atacked Side 7. He was forced to watch innocent civilians killed. His father, who turns up later, has brain damage, due to lack of oxygen.(He was sucked out of the colony through a breach in one of the walls, and if I remember, Amuro created this hole, during his battle with the two Zakus.) I believe he has damn plenty of reasons to hate the Zeon. Don't get started on Char? What the hell makes you think I'm going to pass this chance up? I'm sure you know Char's history(the assasination of his father by the Zabis and so on). Char my friend, wants revenge. Does this sound a little like someone from Gundam Wing? This is why so many UC fans, claim Zechs is a ripoff of Char. Char vowed revenge, Zechs vowed revenge. Both have younger sisters, who don't agree with what their brothers are doing. Both have their own respective nicknames(Lighting Count, Red Comet). My, Wing sure is original, neh?

Wing's mecha drawn better than the other series? Zeta(better designed mecha than Wing), 0083(Much better animation that Wing), The 8th MS Team(which, I might add, is newer than Wing, and its animation blows Wing away. But yes, it is an OAV), and several other UC series and OAVs have much better drawn and designed mecha.

Were you bashing 0079's animation? The mecha and animation for MSG were the best there were at the time of its release. Yes, some of the MS in 0079, aren't drawn realistically, but they're much different from the Super Robots than ran rampant through mecha anime at that time period. Also, Wing is one of the worst animated Gundam series out there. So many frames are re-used it's not even funny...and in general Wing's animation isn't that great.(Endless Waltz, on the other hand, had some great animation, but I still didn't care for it much.)

And Tallgeese having more weapons makes Wing superior? That's one of the most ignorant things that has come out of your mouth(or in this case, you typed). Char's Zaku has its standard Machine Gun, its heathawk, and the optional missile pods that can be attached to the side of its legs. And if you wish, I can name every MS in the UC Timeline that could blow the Tallgeese away with their respective weapons.

And yes, the ZZ is on the UC side of Gundam. But as I already said, Double Zeta, well, just plain sucks.

Bah, you must have learned quite a bit from that 1st volume of MSG manga, 0080, and 0083...

I have seventeen series to choose from? Eh, go check again.

Now for my part....{insert dramatic music here}

Wings battles and overall feel- I was under the impression that Gundam was a war story...not a Super Robot Show. The original Mobile Suit Gundam(for example), had the feel of a real war(in fact, it has many similarities to World War II). Wing on the other hand, seems like a Super Robot Show. One MS wipes out some 50 Leos, in three seconds...really exciting. In the original Mobile Suit Gundam, the Gundam didn't win the war, the 3,000(some will have you believe it was just 300, don't listen to those people) plus GMs and Federation Ground troops did. In Wing, the Gundams are basicaly the whole army...real realistic.

Mobile Suit Gundam= Story about war, and its effects on the human race as a whole.

Gundam Wing= Super Robot Show with the name "Gundam"(my family will have you believe its called Gunga Wing, though...strange people.) slapped on it.

Side Note: Forgive any Typos, I believe I got most of them, but still...there may be a few in there.

Also, don't get offended, if I come off sounding down right rude. It's nothing personal. I just get emotional when it comes to my beloved UC Gundam. It's just the UC Elitist side of me at work, I guess.

.....at least your family doesn't think gundam=condom

"Its a condom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

took them awhile to comprehend..

Wow, what a great tribute Legato.
*shreds tear*

Anyway, how about some anime quizzes? It'll kind of be like the one in Answerman's column, except there will be no prizes. Anyway, here are some easy ones for starters.

1. Which Ranma 1/2 character does the Japanese VA for Spike Spiegel also play?

2. What classic American TV show inspired the OVA series, Tenchi Muyo?

3. In Kiki's delivery service, what kind of shop does she operate in?

4. What brand of coffee frequently shows up in the series Neon Genesis Evangelion?

5. In Slayers, what is the name of Zelgasis' most powerful attack?

Oh, and on another note, the Childs toy manga
was liscenced by Tokyopop, not Viz.

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~boots post back to the top~

Slayers is a good series, with a nice mixture of action and comedy. I've only seen the first tape, so I can't give you much info on it, but what I saw had me rolling.

Here's a "good news/bad news" story:

Today I recieved Trigun Maximum Vol. 5 "Break Out". This is my first "real" manga, not counting doujinshi. Anywho, I open it up to see a few things I've heard about: Namely, Zazie gtting macked, Midvalley getting macked, Angel Arms, and Legato. Here's the rundown:

1. Zazie getting macked: Not at all as bad as I thought. The guts that splatter out of him are dark and don't show much. Plus, the look on his face is great.

2. Midvalley getting macked: Lots of blood spray from him getting shot in the chest. He also gets grinded by Legato's bike in the chest and that sprays a lot. Later, when Legato reanimates the corpse, there's always a shadow covering the wound, which is very nice of Mr. Nightow because otherwise I'd have to puke.

3. Angel Arms: Eeeeeeewwwwwwwwww! They're one of my greatest fears that I posted : nasty amagralms of eyes, mouths, and fingers. Plus there's a really gross scene when they rip through what looks like flesh. That's gross.

4. Legato is UGLY in a lot of scenes. Which he shouldn't be. Because he's cool looking when he's evil, with the hair covering his eyes and a evil smile.

Here's some bouns items:

5. Legato's bearer is GROSS. It has these sharp teeth and is all ugly and stuff. Plus there's a close up of it when Elendira (who's hella cool) fires one of her nails into the top of the thing's skull. The thing has it's mouth open too so you see it going THROUGH THE MOUTH AND TOUNGE, which is quite nasty to look at.

6. The Beast (Zazie's new form after he gets macked)is quite easy on the eyes if you catch my drift. That's just my opinion.

7. I don't like manga Milly's design AT ALL. She's too blond, her hair's too short, and her oufit is just plain wretched.

Final verdict: Nightow has a very warped style and a strange facination with things that I fear. He's an exelent writer, very philosophical and poetic. I much prefer the anime's artwork.

Recomendations:
Manga fan: Borrow before buying.
Trigun fan under 15: Wait till you've seen some more graphic anime.
Trigun fan over 15: Pick up when you're done the anime.

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Friendship.
Trust.
Desire.
Hatred.
You all carry too many unnecessary burdens.
Only. One. Thing:
Absolute devotion to Him,ought to be all you need.
-Legato Bluesummers, Trigun

~makes note~ "Buy Trigun Maximum."

if that gets you sick, you won't stand watching fist of the north star, good long anime

something i just thought of, anyone have a favorite song from an anime or animes?

my 2 favs are The Cruel Angel's Thesis from Neon Genesis Evangelion and Heart of Sword from Rurouni Kenshin

Hmm...I'd have to say The Real Folk Blues from Cowboy Bebop and Paradise from Trigun.

Speaking of Trigun and music, some company will be releasing a Trigun Soundtrack over here in the States. No word on wether it will be the 1st Donuts, the 2nd Donuts, or a mix of both.

Char, if you could handle Saving Private Ryan, you can handle TriMax. It's no where near as bad as HnK. The worst things are the eye,mouth,finger things. There's a lot of blood though.

I got my manga at:
http://www.net-ibaraki.ne.jp/sumire/tridj/tri-forsale.html

I've ordered TriMax 5 and Trigun: Broccoli Anthology from there. Also, the main site has manga translations for all of 5, a chapter from 4, two from 2, and the latest YKO chapters.

Yes I have, but I was under the impression that they kicked butt, not but.

Moving along. Char, you're welcome. Always glad to spread the word about "New Wave Gun Action". BTW, do you have any idea when 0079 and 08th is coming to CN or DVD?