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QK2Rusty
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posted 06-05-2001 06:36 PM
I'm going to try
again with my difficult question...this is for all you
anime experts out there.
What was the first anime, EVER?
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posted 06-05-2001 06:56 PM
Hmmm...QK2Rusty,
you're a bad luck poster. You spilt this over into the
13th page....
Anyways, I found this at http://home.earthlink.net/~jhendrich/anime_history.htm
"During the war with China in 1937, animation took a
military look. The works weren't creative in many
aspects and basically were created as propaganda to help
the public support the army. In 1943, during Word War
II, the Imperial Government had an artist, Mituyoseo,
create a short Anime film. His team created the first
animated feature in Japan, Momotaro's Gods-blessed Sea
Warriors"
I guess that was the first one that was actually
given a title. ------------------
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posted 06-05-2001 07:34 PM
My grandma says that
she watched Hello Kitty and she's like 70 somthing years
old and she says her older brother liked Astro Boy....
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posted 06-05-2001 09:16 PM
The 8th MS Team DVDs
were due out some time in July. The MSG in August, if I
remember correctly. But some really crappy news came
from A-Kon this weekend. CN has no definent air date for
Gundam(they will air it, but ehy don't know when).
Therefore the "Gundam movie DVDs"(I have yet to
determine what is meant by that, the MSG Trilogy or all
of the UC related DVDs.) are postponed until an
undetermined date. You can blame Jamie Kellner for this.
That jackass. Going off and delaying my DVDs...
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posted 06-05-2001 10:18 PM
Speaking of 08th MS
team, I just saw that today. I really like what ive seen
so far, its nice to see "new" style animation linked to
a UC Gundam series. And it was cool to hear some of the
more familiar "new" voice actors in this series.
Ive been on a UC kick recently, I watched the movies
and im starting to watch the Zeta I have. Char truly is
one of the best characters!
Sure its an "old" series, but how can anyone say it
sucks compared to Wing? Gouf vs. RX Gundam was a great
fight! the only things related to Wing I can honestly
say I like was Quatare and the G-unit Manga.
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QK2Rusty
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posted 06-06-2001 04:35 AM
I guess I AM a bad
luck poster Hey
thanks for the info Nightwing!
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posted 06-06-2001 08:00 AM
(Referring to a bunch
of earlier posts)... The Gundam 08 MS Team series is
due out on July 1st.
In terms of my favorite anime music, I have to agree
with Char and say Trigun and Cowboy Bebop (long live
Yoko Kanno!). But for that 80s flavor that I savor, I go
with Bubblegum Crisis (it has a great deal of heavy
metal music, as well as a fair share of action).
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posted 06-06-2001 05:33 PM
Indeed, The 8th MS
Team is very cool. I want my 8th MS Team DVDs.
Insane_Ben, do you know if the "Gundam Movie DVD"(That's
what the official reports say. They don't get to
specific.)delay will effect the 8th MS Team's DVD
release?
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posted 06-07-2001 08:03 AM
Char, The Gundam 08
MS Team DVD is not affected by the delayed release of
the Gundam Movie Trilogy on DVD. One note of correction:
The 08 MS Team will be out on July 3rd, not July 1st, as
I had previously stated. Also, Gundam 0083 will be out
on DVD starting in September, will Gundam 0080 following
two months later. First Gundam will be out on August
7th.
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posted 06-07-2001 09:19 PM
Hey, everyone, quick
little question: Who here watches Ranma and or reads
the manga?
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posted 06-07-2001 09:33 PM
Oh, Oh, I do! I read
the Ranma 1/2 novels! They're hillarious! I just love
'em. I have almost all of them. (Well, almost...) So,
what about it?
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posted 06-07-2001 09:39 PM
Hmmm, I guess nobody
cared about the anime quiz idea.
Oh well, moving on. I've watched the first two
seasons of Ranma 1/2 and I'd say it's probrably one of
my favorite series. It gets a little frustrating
watching it after a while since Ranma and Akane always
get so close to expressing their feelings to each other,
but are too stubborn to admit them. So basically their
relationship never really gets anywhere.
As for the Ranma 1/2 Manga, I've got the first issue
that viz released in 1992. The series almost follows the
manga word for word, with just very minor changes. So if
you like the show, your basically getting the exact same
thing in the manga.
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posted 06-07-2001 11:21 PM
Ranma 1/2 is ok, but
I like Inu Yasha a lot better, anyone here read/watch
it?
Speaking of Ranma the gashapon set should be out
soon, Japan has it already, so the online shops should
get them soon. Im still wating on my pre-order...
Random anime news: "Starship girl" Yamamoto Yohko has
been picked up for commercial release by I belive "right
stuff"
Also.. Wizzywig.com is tkaing pre-order for the
Kaiyodo Spike Spiegal figure, $35 not bad, Unless you
wanna wait for preview to get them here.
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posted 06-07-2001 11:41 PM
Thanks, Ben. ~throws
low-quality fansubs out window~ Now I can watch it(and
0080/0083) on DVD.
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posted 06-08-2001 08:29 AM
I was just wondering
who watches it around here. So far I've seen 2 movies, 4
subbed eps, and read vol. 3 of the manga. If I didn't
already have to finish Bebop, Wing, Tenchi, and 0083,
I'd be buying Ranma stuff like there was no tomorrow.
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posted 06-08-2001 12:33 PM
Same reason for me,
except a number of other factors come into play, such as
getting through other anime titles (I don't want to
start a long TV series until I've gotten through a bunch
of other short TV and OVA series), time (which I use to
either work on my fanfic, auction items off on eBay, or
play King of Fighter '99), and price ($24.95 for
two-to-three episodes [not factoring in OVA episodes and
movies]?!? Uh-Uh! Nope! Not gonna do it!). However, I'm
thinking about getting the Best of Ranma 1/2 box set,
just so I can get started (and, hopefully, not have to
purchase all 50+ volumes of Ranma 1/2).
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posted 06-08-2001 04:04 PM
Best of Ranma 1/2?
Oh, right, I remember. Saw an add for them in Animerica
(along with a nice article on Akira). I'm half tempted
to pick up the Ryoga set I saw advertised. Unfortunatly,
I'm waiting for the DVDs because I'm an idiot and will
gladly pay money for another language and some extras.
That and the lack of previews. I always hated seeing
previews, becasue I didn't know what would be shown
(Ninja Scroll for example. This dsoen't apply to Ranma,
just VHS tapes in general).
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posted 06-09-2001 09:00 PM
Ok, top 5 anime
episodes. I'll start:
5. "Underneath the Sky So Blue" Trigun Episode
26 4. "Paradise" Trigun Episode 23 3. "Sin" Trigun
Episode 24 2. "Farewell, the Strongest Men" Rurouni
Kenshin Episode 11 1. "Ballad of Fallen Angels"
Cowboy Bebop Episode 5
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posted 06-10-2001 11:29 AM
Im still watching
Gundam 08th MS Team, Ive gotta say I really love this
"series". Its great to see new style animation hooked to
a UC timeline Gundam anime. It's great to seee Zeons
again! Has anyone else seen this? cause ive got
quesitons but dont know if I can post them cause I might
spoil something.
Also some new UC Gundam figures are out. I saw:
-Gog -Char's Z'gok -Z'gok -Shiro Amada's
Gundam (08th MS team) -Char's Gelgog.
I got Char's Gelgog and Shiro's Gundam, cause I
bought the Japanese versions of the others last summer.
Char's Gelgog is cool now Amuro can battle Char
(again...). And Supposedly there's a variation on the
Guncannon figure, its with the numbers on it, so you can
get Kai's and Hayato's MS'.
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posted 06-10-2001 05:17 PM
Why, Legato? Why must
you make me choose my top five favorite episodes, you
madman?! Anyways, here they are (in no particular
order):
Bubblegum Crisis OVA 6: Red Eyes
Slayers Episode 26: Victory! I Will Allways Be The
Winner!
Outlaw Star Episode 26: Back Into Space
Tenchi Universe Episode 25: No Need For a Showdown
Dragonball Z Episode 191: Fight For The Future
If I wasn't limited to just five:
Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 Episode 26: Still
Alive and Well
Trigun Episode 26: Under The Sky So Blue
Tenchi Muyo OVA 6: We Need Tenchi!
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posted 06-10-2001 05:23 PM
Ladies and gentlemen,
boys and girls, I present to you: ANIME'S 500th
POST!!!
I'm amazed that this topic has gone on for so long,
so I just want to say, thank you to everybody for
contributing your anime fandom and anime knowledge to
this board.
And for the ultimate anime otaku experience, watch
Otaku No Video, which is about a guy named Kubo, and his
ambitious goal of becoming an otaku beyond an otaku: an
OTAKING! Also, it contains more anime references than
any other anime film.
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posted 06-10-2001 06:36 PM
CLAND, I've seen some
of the 8th MS Team, so, ask away.
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posted 06-11-2001 06:37 AM
I think what's the
funniest thing is about 15 of the posts in this topic
are congratulating it...gosh, if this keeps up, we'll
have page 14 all about : Thanks everyone! and stuff like
that. Nah, I'm crazy
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posted 06-11-2001 12:01 PM
And Insane called me
a madman...HA! Get it! Someone named "Insane" called me
a madman! OHHOHOHOHOHOHO! The irony kills me!
*ahem* Moving on...can't think of anything. Crud.
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posted 06-12-2001 08:39 PM
THIS THREAD WILL NOT
DIE! Anyone, can you think of ANYTHING to talk about!?
Maybe a continuation of the Top 5 Episodes?
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posted 06-13-2001 09:42 AM
All right... You guys
asked for it...
What can anyone here add to the subject of "Live
Action Anime"? Yeah, some of you I'll bet are cringing,
and some of you might not actually know what I'm
referring to. (To those of you who wish tro keep your
innocence on the subject matter, skip on down... But
you'll know sooner or later.) Well, as with almost any
sub-genre of film, I have mixed feelings about the whole
situation.
The first Live Action Anime I ever got my hands on
was Fist of the North Star. Yes, that's right- Not the
cartoon version steeped in bloodshed and starring such
Japanese Seiyuu as Kamiya Akira, Torishou Furukawa and
Kenji Utsumi- No, this was a movie made by an American
film crew and filmed in Hong Kong- mostly for budget
contraints. In this version, our stars are Gary Daniels,
Costar Mandylor (How God, HOW could you let this
happen!?), Chris Penn (!?), and even Malcom McDowell. I
actually drove for over an hour to finally see this
film, and the end result... Well, I'll get to that in a
moment.
Hokuto no Ken was NOT the only anime/manga to have a
movie based off of it- Far from it, actually. Many of
you by now have seen, or at least heared of the
Japan/Hong Kong Co-production of "Dragonball: The Magic
Begins" (As released by Tai Seng). I found it to be a
fun, amusing, if a rather strange children's Hong Kong
flick. The thing that scares me is that in some ways,
this is closer to Toriyama's work than the FUNimation
English release... Though a few events were changed
considerably, to make it a stand alone story. The film
follows the original manga, if not word for word, then
in spirit. However, be sure you have plenty of crackers
and wine while watching this... You'll have more cheese
than you know what do do with- Particularly if you watch
the English Dub.
*Please note that from here on out, I'll only use the
English/US titles to avoid any confusion. I'm not
familiar enough with many of them to really feel I'm
allowed to do otherwise.
Sanctuary was given a simmilar treatment, though I
know nothing about either the live action film or the
original story. An English dub was offered a few years
ago, but I really don't know anything more than that.
The live action Kekkou Kamen (Pretty Mask) trilogy by
Japan's number one bad boy himself, Go Nagai, was an
interesting switch; The live action film came *before*
the anime. I still haven't been able to track this movie
down, try as I may... But I warn you, if gratuitous
nudity to a point where there's actually very little
clothed skin in the film bothers you, or rather lewd
acts from the basically nude superheroine (She wears a
mask, a scarf, go-go boots, super heroine-ish gloves,
and a Nunchaku... Need I really say any more?) uses to
take care of her opponents, don't bother. On the other
hand, if this sort of thing strikes you as funny, go for
it! (I have yet to hear anything from the supposed US
release for this year... We'll see, I suppose. If
"Sailor and the Seven Ball-Z" can get a DVD release,
anything is possible.) Oh- Did I mention there is a
guest appearance by Violence Jack, or that she oil
wrestles Lum herself? I have yet to see this trilogy-
But feel free to bet your spleen I will.
Another classic in this sub-genre is The Wicked City.
It can be considered a sequel to the anime of the same
title, but it could also merely be considered a new
interpretation of the same story. This is really a
Catalogue III film at it's best- It's certainly NOT a
kids film. Another I have yet to see, only because I
have yet to pick up the Chinese/English DVD yet. This
looks like a good one for a Hong Kong anime based
horror, even if they do use Black Light antenne on
occasion. (Don't ask... You'd have to see it for
yourself.)
There were a pair of Guyver movies made in the
states- No, not McGuyver, the Bio-Boosted armor stuff.
I've seen the second film on the Sci-Fi channel
countless times over the years, but I've yet to see the
first. It should be fun, if nothing else, on the grounds
that Mark Hamill, Luke Skywalker himself, plays the
lead. The second was low budged US Sci-Fi at it's best,
such as it is... If you're a fan of Dai Kaiju films or
the guyver series in general (I have yet to see it
myself), it's worth a rental. Don't be surprised if you
hear thr occasional curse or see a little blood- It was
given an R rating, even if it was made for TV.
Jackie Chan became Kamiya Akira... Go figure. Chan
starred in a live action City Hunter movie, and it
sounds like one of the wildest rides Asian cinema has to
offer us. I mean, come on- Jackie Chan talks to Bruce
Lee on a movie screen AND gets to dress up like the cast
of Street Fighter, all in teh course of one movie! I'll
give you a fair warning though- The US version was cut,
but the only thing removed was some rather blatant and
moderately offensive homophobic humor. If you don't mind
jokes at the expense of someone gay, get the import. If
you're a bit more PC than I am with you're viewing, get
the US release.
Perhaps one of the most intriguing Live Action Anime
I know of (And still haven't seen >.< ) is an
French "Crying Freeman" film, shot in English, that was
never released. It seems the film is very close to the
original manga, but for one reason or another, was never
released in the US. (I've heared it's incredibly violent
for a film of it's type- That could have been the
reason, in some odd way.) Bootleg copies aren't too hard
to find for those curious, and I know I'll track one
down eventually... (Hey, $20 for a movie based off of a
manga is always worth it, even if it is embarassing.)
My personal favorite is a film that has no equals...
Not even a rival for what it is, save perhaps Shogun
Assasins. (I haven't seen that yet, so I won't judge.)
In 1992, Hong Kong released a film that was based off of
a spoof manga, one that playfully dealt with Post
Apocalypse stories- Violence Jack, Hokuto no Ken, things
of that nature, as well as Kung Fu films in general. The
manga was called Rikki Ou, and the Hong Kong film was
released as 'King of Strength', aka Story of Ricky. This
movie is the silliest, goriest, most entertaining piece
of film I've ever seen in my LIFE from Hong Hong- And
while I've not seen all that many films, I am a fan of
the overall style. If you've got a weak stomach for gore
so over the top it's actually funny, skip on by.
However, if movies like "Evil Dead 2" and "Braindead"
(aka Dead Alive) are your cup of tea, and you enjoy
Bruce Lee clones punching THROUGH their opponents in
silly, spashy, gory detail as much as I do, you'll LOVE
it. Just be sure to bring some Nacho's... It's good
cheese. (Also, it might help to understand many of the
jokes to have read the first English 'Fist of the North
Star' manga by Viz. Many scenes from it are spoofed
directly.) Be warned, though- The gore in the film is
silly, and very hard to take seriously with the mile
over the top presentation, but it is right up there with
Braindead...
I've heared rumors of a Live Action Hokuto no Ken
(Fist of the North Star) movie, Hong Kong style... But I
haven't heared of it in a long time. Maybe it was only a
phantom rumor, or perhaps it's the legendary HnK TV
movie... I just don't know, and maybe I never will.
*Sigh*
*HOWEVER*, I own the live action 'Fist of the North
Star' movie. Any Malcom McDowell fan should see it at
least once for his scenes as Ken's father Ryuuken, and
if bad Mad Max rip offs are your idea of a good time,
you'll probably love it. Chris Penn makes a wonderfully
scuzzy Jackal (A cross between Jackal and Jyagi of the
original manga), and Downtown Julie Brown doesn't come
off nearly as bad as I thought she would as the village
leader. (Now... Where did they pull her out of? Sorry-
She is NOTHING like Mamiya.) On the other hand, Costar
Mandylar was JUST PLAIN WRONG for this movie. Sure, he
can play a forbiden love kind of guy, if you like those
movies, but A) He can't fight, B) He's not evil in the
slightest, and C) He's so effeminate I doubted his
version of Shin was heterosexual anyway. Yes, Shin had
to be a pretty boy- A BLONDE pretty boy, something the
film makers didn't catch aparently- But come on, we went
from Torisho Furukawa, Piccolo himself, to this!? On the
other hand, Gary Daniels as Kenshirou, despite the fact
that the man couldn't act his way out of a moist paper
bag, was decent. His body language was right, and he
looked quite a bit like Ken- and most importantly, he
could fight. If Van Damme had been Ken, I would have
destroyed the tape- Even if it was a rental. I just
didn't like his accent, that's all. If he was going for
a Japanese accent, he just screwed it up horribly... I
think it was just supposed to be a standard 'I'm a US
action star and now I need to sound European' thing
going on. Ah well, Kenshiro had minimal irritating
dialouge (What dialouge he did have wasn't half bad...
It's just when he's trying to sound 'Nice' that he gets
on my nerves...) and maximum whupass going on anyway, so
I really can't complain. Now if only it had more gore,
more than 90 seconds of gore, I would have been at least
content... But, despite the cheese and the sometimes
painful rewriting of MY favorite show (Shin didn't kill
Ryuuken, and when he did die, he WAS NOT shot with a
gun, he was killed in the dojo with his own North Dipper
style... That was the biggest thing that bothered me
about the film- That they could change such an important
battle), it had high production values for a low budget
film. (Good sets, gorgeous costumes, neat lighting,
great slow motion battle scenes, etc.) It's worth
watching... Just expect a somewhat artsy version of Mad
Max with a lot of Kung Fu with Chris Penn beating up
kids and Costar Mandylor being, well, lame. I don't use
that word often, but that's what it is; Lame. It's not a
bad movie, really, it's just Gary Daniels beating up
WWF's Vader in an attempt to be Kenshirou versus Heart
that shows the downfall of it all... They tried, they
really did, but they just weren't very good at doing it.
I won't even get into the Live action La Blue Girl
series. After all, I know what it is, and I'd wager the
vast majority of you guyys do too. It's something you
would either love and laugh with or be appaled by. It
just depends on how jaded you are... And as you all must
have guessed, I'm quite jaded. Either way, they're out
there... Let's not bring them up again, hmmm?
So... What does everyone else here think about 'Live
Action Anime'?
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kulilin to the
rescue!
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One thing I tend to
like about anime is the energy. Pure, fast and filled
with energy...
I've seen few live action movies that were able to
portray the above requirements.
Matrix could have passed off as a convincing anime if
I squinted my eyes and pretended I saw speed lines...
I can also see Crouching Tiger passing off as a live
action anime.
Other than that, I'm hard pressed to think of any
movie that has been able to truly transfer anime to
film...
I was going to go on longer about this topic, but I
gots a craving for sloppy joes...
mmmmm.. sloppy.
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I've seen tons of
Hong Kong movies, but the only one I can remember right
now is part three of A Chinese Ghost story trilogy. It's
not really an anime, but there is a hong kong produced
cartoon of it made by Kung Fu movie director Tsui Hark.
It's a pretty good movie with lots of anime type antics,
and the humour is pretty good. The special effects are
quite terrible though, and the monsters that appear in
the film come off as sort of low budget muppets.
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posted 06-14-2001 10:22 PM
I was bored today and
posed my Wolfwood and Vash figures in a "yaoi" type
pose. All I did was put Vash's arm around Nick. I didnt
think it was too yaoi but me friend thought so....
Actually Nick could use a more so articulated partner
like a Legato or Midvalley
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There aren't really
any good live action anime transfers, since up until
now, the technology was never there. And most of them
suffer from low budgets. A good anime film can be made
now if given the right treatment. Matrix borrows a lot
from anime, much of the plot and mood of the film is in
fact borrowed from Ghost in the Shell. X-men, isn't an
anime, but it was almost perfectly transfered to live
action. One of the reason it worked is because the
director decided to go with a more realistic look,
rather than be 100% faithful to the comic.
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To tell you all the
trust, I wasn't all that impressed with the 'New Wave'
of Anime styled movies... In some ways. Now before
everyone gets upset with me, please let me explain my
views.
The Matrix... It was a good movie, I must admit. It
had great special effects, it had Keanu Reeves, it had
Yuen Woo Ping martial arts, it had Bio Feedback type
craziness, it had a fun plot, it had some disturbing
Bio-mechanical effects that looked like an H.R. Giger
dream sequence, and it had Rob Zombie, Marilyn Manson,
and Rage Against the Machine on the soundtrack. Now THIS
is a movie... The thing I disliked about it is that it
chnaged the face of movies forever. Need proof? Let's
turn to exibit B...
X-men. I miss the cartoon, and I always liked the
comics when I coudl find them before I turned 10 and
moved on to things like Spawn and The Maxx, but I always
enjoyed the story, the feeling, the "Wow! That was
cool!" aspect of it all. So then we get the movie...
Okay, nto bad. But let's face it- The effects sold the
movie. The fight on the Statue of Liberty proved it to
me- Every other shot was a Matrix-esque 'Have somebody
do something cool while the camera moves'. I can't STAND
this. If the stunt is impressive, let the stunt carry it
on it's own. In The Matrix, when Trinity jumps, is
suspended in mid air while teh camera spins around, and
kicks the Police officer in the opening... Who cares?
She's just SITTING there in the air. If she were
spinning and the camera was going the opposite way,
fine. If we were watching everything move around her
while this occured, I could have forgiven it. But she's
JUST SITTING THERE FOR 10 SECONDS. I know they were
going for an "Iron Monkey" kind of feeling, the gravity
defying stunts made in Hong Kong films (See Crouching
Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Exibit C), but it just comes off
as boring. The fight with Keanu reeves and Lawrence
Fishboure in the dojo isn't all that great... Sure, it's
certainly a Yuen Woo Ping masterpiece, but he's done 2
dozen of them in each film he's ever made.
What I want to know is; When did it reach a point
where an Action Hero didn't need to do a thing and just
let the CGI do the work? Jackie Chan is from the Old
School of Hong Kong movies, and does all of his stunts
as you see them- It's Him, doing it himself. No CGI,
this guy's gonna' stick to it. Jet Li often does his own
stunts, and only uses CGI where it's needed. (Think
"Romeo Must Die"... And who the heck picked that title
out of a hat!? Anyway- think the scene where he walks
through the flames.) Back in Hong Kong, the 1970's, you
weren't hired unless you could actually do something- A
thing most people don't care about anymore in movies. Go
rent 'Return of the Dragon' (Really "Way of the Dragon")
and watch the scene where Bruce Lee jumps straight up
and shatters a lamp on the celing by kicking it. That's
all the man did- Just straight up, kick a light bulb,
and break it. Today, this scene would require Yuen Woo
Ping for 3 weeks, 30 yards of cable, and more CGI than
all of Jurassic Park 2. But you should Rent Way of the
Dragon anyway- Bruce Lee rips off a chunk of Chuck
Noriss' chest hair and blows it in his face, not to
mention Bruce Lee doing fart gags. That's worth $2 right
there, and you know it. (Yes, I know Tom Cruise did a
few of his own stunts in MI:2... But I'm still mad at
him for what he did to Lestat.)
Exibit C, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. WOW. Now
THIS is what I call a movie! Chop Socky action with no
visible wires, more swordplay than the average Shaws
Brothers flick, gorgeous locals, genuinely likable
characters evened out with a few you want to see get
theirs, pretty women, fights in trees and Christ-like
water walking, and Chow Yon Fat in a monk haircut. (I
still say Jet Li looked better in it- But oh well.) I'm
willing to say this movie really does have it all- Even
if Non-believers will scoff at the way the characters
fly. This movie is as tragic as it is beautiful, and
more importantly, as beautiful as it is epic. This is
the style that Legends should be presented in, because
you only have to half believe them... You should be
enchanted and afraid and in love all at once. And for
once, it WASN'T dubbed at the drive-ins, something even
Bruce Lee could never achieve in the 70's. This is how
Chinese movies- Nay, Movies everywhere were always meant
to be...
Now that I think of it... Does it scare anyone else
that they tried to talk T.F. Maus into finding a role
for Chow Yon Fat in "Man Behind the Sun"? It's just
wrong, I tell you...
And this proved that you can make beautiful epics
without basing them on comics and animation (Therefore,
manga and anime). Certainly, it's always fun to see a
Live Action comic book... And sometimes, the mere style
of a comic gives it new meaning (For example, Sam
Raimi's "Darkman"). Sometimes the line is so blurred
between Comic and Live Action film even I don't know
what to think... "Tank Girl" for example. But the fact
remains that it's possible to make an Anime styled film
without basing it off of an actual manga or anime... And
while this is a true feat unto itself, I don't feel it
should be in the same cattegory at all.
But I don't think Italian Zombie movies and Italian
Cannibal movies should be in the same cattegory either,
proving I'm WAY too anal about this kind of thing.
I dislike modern action films mostly because they
just don't feel exciting. Sure, we have bigger
explosions and more death defying stunts, but an action
film has to touch you, somehow. It has to make you feel
pity or joy, or make you laugh or cry, or make you cheer
or cringe in shock. Action films don't do that anymore.
Some anime would be a nightmare to make as a Live
Action... "Akira" would be nearly impossible. Some would
be difficult, but plausable; "Pretty Soldiers
Sailormoon" (Classic) is a good bet in my book, as long
as you have a compitent film maker. Some are just asking
for it in theor own ways... I haven't seen any of
Rurouni Kenshin yet (I'd like to...), but if Ridley
Scott can make Gladiator, then Steven Speilberg can make
The Wandering Samurai. And as for Devilman... Keep it
away from Charles Band, that's all I have to say. After
all, if a man gives a chimp a gun, and the chimp shoots
someone, you don't blame the chimp.
However, the only way I can see another Live Action
Anime happening any time soon is if they're low budget
independant films relying on creativity rather than any
sort of budget. Marvel may be doing just fine with it's
own Comic based movies, but I don't think any American
film company would touch anything from Japan with a 10
foot titanium poking stick. It's both a nice and a
horrible thought at the same time... All I can say is
give me 3,000 and hald a dozen actor,s and I can give
you an 8 minute film on the Super Saiya 2 transformation
at the Cell Game. It woudl suck, yes... But It would
have a complete opening and ending credits with a
Japanese score and an acurate script. That's what
happens when someone makes a movie because they actually
want to, and not to make money.
I already have the whole thing planned out, and
that's what scares me the most...
People claim Film Making is hard. I say to them 'Kiss
my Camera Lens'. Get a camera. Film something with it.
Now you've made a film. As to how good you can make it,
and hoiw respected a film maker you become, is limited
only by how much you want it. Don't believe me? Peter
Jackon's film "Bad Taste" took him 3 years to complete,
and much of it was financed out of his own pocket. No
film company would touch his idea of a "Gory science
fiction comedy" where teh lead villian was named Lord
Crumb, so he did it himself... And now he's doing the
Lord of the Rings trilogy. Scary, isn't it? Sam Raimi
wanted to make a horror film for his College film
project. He ended up shooting "The Evil Dead", and
establishing himself as the Velveeta Cheese Movie King
of the last generation. Now he's doing Spider-Man. Good
for him, and chances are, good for us. Ruggero Deodato
made 3 Cannibal films, including the legendary Cannibal
Holocaust and Ultimo Mundo Canibal- And the often
unmentioned Man From Deep River... And he never did move
out of exploitation films and into mainstream audiences-
Though he's loved by fans of sleazy Italian films. (I
mean, come on, his next film was 'House at the Edge of
the Park', an extra sleazy remake/rip-off of 'Last house
on the Left'!) Well... 2 out of 3 isn't bad.
Personally, I would like to track down the rest of
the Live Action Anime films, along with their aniem
counterparts. This is certainly far more easy to say
than it is to do; Many of the titles, Live or Anime, are
out of print. (The animated Rikki Ou was never released
in the states, and the Crying Freeman was never released
at all.) The Guyver anime is only available dubbed,
meaning I will probably not get them, though the manga
is a possibility. (Does anyone know if VIZ translated
all of it, or only some of it?) The Crying Freeman OVA
series has been out of print for a long time, meaning my
only option is a Cantonese VCD set- something I'm not
personally against whole heartedly, but I would still
rather have them in Japanese. (Another title I might
just get the manga for... Anyone have a clue why the
first several books became 'Perfect Collections' and the
final book is still in 2 parts? I never will understand
VIZ...) City Hunter is a series I'm bound to get- Mostly
because I'm a bg fan of Kamiya Akira, voice of Saeba
Ryou (Along with Kasumi Kenshirou in Hokuto no Ken/Fist
of the North Star and Tomoe-Sensei in Sailormoon Super,
not to mention Garlic Jr in the first Dragonball Z
movie... Oooh, he was Kisagiri-Sensei in Cutey Honey F,
too!), and the chance to see Jackie Chan in a Street
Fighter 2 outfit isn't something I'm about to miss. I've
been a fan of Wicked City (I know, I know, Demon Beast
City... I still haven't bought the DVD yet, so I'm going
by the English version... Hey, it wasn't the worst thing
Streamline ever did o.o'), so a chance to see the same
story Live Action is something I'll probably do
eventually. I already own Dragonball and Fist of the
North Star as Live Action, though I'm considering the
DVD releases... *Sigh* I need professional help. And
Sanctuary... Eh, if it ever strikes me... I'm very
fickle.
The 'La Blue Girl' live action series is on my list
as soon as I can figure out how to smuggle them in...
Let's leave it at that.
So yes, I'm a fan of a great many things. I can
stomach any kind of cheese known to the human race- And
that imncludes cheesy live action anime movies. I enjoy
them, actually... I think they're a disgrace to their
original manga for the most part, but at least they're
entertaining in their own way. That's something a lot of
movies can achieve on a lot of levels, but often not on
the good ones. If I had never seen the anime for Hokuto
no Ken, I would have thought that Gary Daniels and
Malcom McDowell in Fist of the North Star was one of the
greatest Post Apocalypse Kung Fu movies ever made,
despite the villian being REALLY boring.
I'm easy to please, just hard to impress.
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Kulilin, ladies and
gentlemen. *Sigh* If only we could teach those same
things Kulilin said to Paul Anderson (director of way
too many bad movies, including Event Horizon, the
upcoming Resident Evil movie, and the soon-to-be
direct-to-video release of DBZ- the Live-Action Movie
[just kidding; heaven help us if this guy gets his hands
on filming rights to any other video game properties]).
Some of what Kulilin said is quite true (for me, at
least). I could easily think up a basic plot for a movie
(although it would have to be based on a pre-existing
property). The scary thing is, though, that I was
actually envisioning making Art of Fighting 2: The Movie
(the first movie was an anime, and a rather lousy one at
that) just the other day. But enough about that. Here's
my anime fact for this week:
If you look close enough, you can find parodies of a
certain popular anime in episode 2 of Burn-Up W, and at
the very end of episode 2 of Geobreeders (as to what
that anime is, I'll leave it up to you to
decide).
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Paul Anderson. *Sigh*
To think George A. Romero, the KING of Zombies, wrote
a script for Resident Evil (Biohazard). What happened?
Capcom didn't like it. He kept it as close to the game
as he could, and made only a few minor changes to the
plot. But Capcom thought it was Bad, and so let Paul
Anderson write it- Hey, he was going to firect it either
way.
What's the matter Capcom, too much like your own
game?
The only Paul Anderson movie I've ever seen (And yes
I own it) is, what else, Mortal Kombat. I fel that on
it's own merrits, Mortal Kombat was a fun flick. The
special effects work was nothing short of impressive,
the martial arts is not sped up wire work, and the plot-
though formulamatic- makes sense. On it's own, it's a
wonderfully fun kung fu romp with lots of neat effects,
and that's all you can hope for in any martial arts
movie; particularly an American martial arts movie.
Let's get this out of the way first; Mortal Kombat:
Anniahlation, sucked. Period. I can't possibly say
enough to show you how much I disliked this movie. I
generally like bad movies, but this one was just...
Well... Unlikable.
The Mortal Kombat movie was pretty good on it's own
terms, but it deviated from the Video Game far too much
for my tastes. For one, it mixed elements of the first 2
games, making the story far more involved than it really
needed to be for a kung fu movie. Several of the
character's origins were changed around, in particular
Scorpion and Sub-Zero being turned into zombies of Shang
Tsung. (!?) Also, the kung fu traditions and trademark
NC-17 rated gore from the video game was sadly missing,
something I think would have improved the film greatly.
Sure, Sub Zero doesn't HAVE to rip a guy's head off
while the spine dangles from the throat, but let's be
honest- That's what catapaulted Mortal Kombat in to the
spotlight.
Generally, movies from video games just do not work.
Super Mario Brothers is a good example. So is Double
Dragon. And Street Fighter. Heck, almost all of them
are.
The only one I'm curious to see on possible GOOD
merrits is "Parasite Eve". Yes, that's right- A Hong
Kong/Japanese co-production made a two hour film based
off of the game of the same name, and the movie does
look promising. As of yet there has been no US release,
but any sleazy bootlegger who has things like the anime
Ricky-O and Sailor and the Seven Ball-Z or the Live
Action Crying Freeman is bound to have it. (Sorry, but I
refuse to offer links to these guys, as they offer some
stuff even I refuse to watch...) I really can't say much
more, other than I know the film exists.
As for the upcoming Final Fantasy movie... Well, I'm
worried. You have to keep in mind that I was introduced
to the original US release of teh first game, a sword
and sorcery epic on the NES that has yet to be equaled
in some ways. It was an excellent game with faceless
characters that unfolded like an aincent song of heroes
and villians in a very basic, though entertaining way.
If Final Fantasy is yo be remembered as a film, I would
hope it would return to it's roots, and go with the
original game plan in a cel animated feature film... But
instead we get aliens and spaceships 100% CGI. Ah well,
it could still be worse...
Ah well, I'm going to go watch Return of the Dragon
one more time before I have to bring it back to the
video store. To Jigoku with Paul Anderson, this is what
kung fu flicks are all about. Don't get me wrong, I like
Robin Shou, but I'd rathet see Ho Sung Pak return as Liu
Kang. Ah well, I suppose it's for teh best... I've seen
Ho Sung Pak 'Act' before, and it makes me greatful Shou
took the role. It's obvious Anderson wasn't helping
things too much.
I'm just far too synical... Wish me luck on my
adventures through Boston's Chinatown next Wednesday.
Chances are I'll return with something anime related...
Perferably something tacky, at that. Ah well- Who
knows...
Kulilin
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Thanks for the
follow-up, kulilin. Anyways, here's a new topic to think
about:
What pre-existing property would you like to see as
an anime?
I'll get the list started:
The King of Fighters (OVA series) Art of Fighting
2 (movie) Final Fantasy VII (epic OVA
series) Marvel vs Capcom (OVA series) Soul
Edge/Calibur (OVA series) Blade of the Immortal (TV
series) Samurai Spirits (OVA series) Street
Fighter Alpha 3 (TV series) Dead or Alive 2
(movie) Gunsmith Cats (TV series) Plastic Little
(TV series) Ninja Cadets (OVA series) The Big O
(TV series)
As you can see, I added some series that already
exist. However, the last two series mentioned were never
completed, and thus, I'd like to see them achieve
completion.
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I think Rival Schools
would make a pretty cool anime tv or OVA series.
Ive seen the Parasite eve movie, it was actually
pretty cool, watch it before you play the game and it
should help understand the actual game a bit more (it
helped me). I believe some company has the rights to
distribute it here.
In other anime news, 2 great shows have just been
picked up Gatekeepers and DigiCharat, but I dunno by
who.
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After 4 days in
Canada, I hath returned! And with me comes a bunch of
random thoguhts and info:
First off, WHAT A HAUL!!!! I was able to pick up a
great Bruce Lee street drawing, volumes 2 and 4-10 of
the Ranma 1/2 manga, and Volume 1 of the No Need For
Tenchi Manga, DB vol 5, and DBZ vol 3-4. Top class manga
in my opinion, too.
Second, on a very sad note, I just found out that the
seiyuu for Goemon (Lupin III) and D (Vampire Hunter D)
passed away some time ago. A moment of silence please...
Third, there is only one existing franchise I can
think of that should be an anime: Xenogears. With a plot
as convolted and thoughtful as NGE, great characters,
adn the coolest viliian this side of my namesake, Id,
this deserves to be an OVA. I'll rant about it later
though.
Fourth, my offical stance on Trigun yaoi. With the
possible exception of Legato, nobody in that series is a
bugger. Cept maybe E.G. Mine (HOW IN THE HELL DID HE
MACK MONEV AND DOMINIQUE!!!!). Also, if I catch anyone
saying Midvalley is even slightly yaoi, I will do bad,
bad, things to their spinal cord. Midvalley is not gay!
Also, I despise and openly oppose NC-17 MillyXWolfwood
(where do people come up with some of this crap!?.
"Milly" and "NC-17" do NOT belong in the same sentance.
While browing through the Canadian book store
Indigo's extensive manga section, I came across a guide
to anime. Flipping through, I saw it had no pictures
within, a usual detrement for me, based on the nasty
content usually contained within. My happiness was
destroyed when I came upon the color picture section, or
more specificly, the picture of tentacle rape (why do
those things have to always go in the poor chick's
mouth!? Guh, the mere thought of having a slimy tentacle
in my mouth makes me want to puke), and a little kid
being vaporised in the Hiroshima blast. Imagine a burnt
up little child with an eye hanging out of it's socket.
Yu know, it seems to be my karma to find VERY unwanted
knowledge and images. *Sigh* Shigata ga nai, neh?
And for now, I shall bid you farewell. Tomorrow is
the begining of my strenuous training in mind and body.
Anyone who wants a list of what I have to do, E-mail me
at Midvalleys Sax@aol.com
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Desire. Hatred. You all carry too many
unnecessary burdens. Only. One. Thing: Absolute
devotion to Him,ought to be all you need. -Legato
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posted 06-18-2001 11:17 AM
Kaneto Shiozawa....
I actually mentioned his death SEVERAL months ago
here... But it was a different time, a time before
curiosity seekers and regulars would touch my posts with
a ten foot pole... Nobody replied. I also mentioned that
I was positive the Voice Actor in the states who played
Piccolo in "Final Bout" also played Jyagi in the Hokuto
no Ken movie dub... I don't think anyone here was ready
to admit a direct connection between Fist of teh North
Star and Dragon Ball Z, as they are in the states. Or
maybe I'm just reading too much into it again.
Either way, Shiozawa Kaneto will be dearly missed. He
died last november, though I'm unaware of the
circumstances. His roles I'm most familiar with were D
himself (Vampire Hunter D) and Rei, Kenshirou's badass
buddy for the second season and theatrical movie of
Hokuto no Ken. Of note was the fact that he also played
San Shinlon, the third Evil Dragon in the final saga of
Dragonball GT. I can't tell you what other roles he has
played, simply because these are the series I know him
from. Yes, I'll watch any film at least once- But that
doesn't mean I'm guaranteerd to buy it to hear a
favorite Seiyuu, I'm afraid.
'Saraba da, Rei.'
For any fans of Shiozawa-sensei, I would recommend
picking up the Vampire Hunter D special edition DVD from
Urban Vision. It has a tribute to him, in the form of a
'Making of' segment that hasn't been seen since Vampire
Hunter D was released on LD in Japan several years ago.
It includes interviews with Shiozawa, and something I
was pleased with on an entirely different level- An
interview with the director, Ashida Toyou, lead director
for the Hokuto no Ken. Besides, any fan of horror or
adult themed (But non-hentai) anime should see this film
on DVD anyway- The presentation is nothing short of
spectacular, with more extra's than I can shake a shinai
at, and for teh first time ever in the US, it's
available subtitled. The only downside is it used the
Dub visuals entirely, and so we lose our title cards,
and as I understand it, one shot in the final battle was
trimmed by 2 seconds, though I could be wrong on this.
(I'm still debating why this cut was made, and if it
was, if it's in this version or not. I think it would
have to be for the Japanese audio track to not go out of
synch.
All in all, the Vampire Hunter D DVD is really the
best tribute to it's staff available. It includes the
'Making of Vampire Hunter D' with the interviews with
Shiozawa, it has the Japanese video trailer for the OVA,
it includes a wonderful art gallery by Yo****aka Amano
(Character designer for the original novels, and the
character designer for Final Fantasy 6 onward, among
other series), previews for the new Vampire Hunter D PSX
game and the Theatrical Movie that we SHOULD be getting
sometime in the next year or so... *CoughYeahSureCough*
Overall, this, along with "Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz"
is about as good as presentation gets.
Wow, that was a tangetnt if I ever got off on one.
I'll miss you, Shiozawa. You'll always be D to me. Your
character introduced me to the world of anime, even if
it was poorly dubbed the first time around. Goodbye,
hero of heroes.
For once, I really don't have much to say... Not that
I have the time to type, I'm afraid. If you feel the
need, picture me with my fedora and suitcase in hand as
I type this. Is it really nessicary? Well, it couldn't
hurt...
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Brolli ~ "Ore ga bakemono? Chigau! Ore wa akuma
da." 'I'm a monster? You're wrong! I am the devil.'
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Kulilin, please.
You're killing me.
One anime I really admired was Princess Mononoke. I
really thought that Disney (OF ALL PEOPLE, DISNEY!) did
a fantastic job on the dub. Their music fit in very well
with the whole thing and they weren't afraid of blood
(i.e. Mononoke sucking the wolf's blood out of her) I
really thought that was well done. The whole plot was
pretty cool and the VAs were indeed fantastic.
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I had no idea
Shiozawa also did Rei. Wow. Truely, the anime community
has lost a great man. Goemon was just an interesting
character to watch, a samurai fighting against guns and
winning. Any Lupin fans, does anything ever devlop
between Goemon and the female Chinese cop from the Lost
Gold of Babylon flick? As for Rei, I have always enjoyed
randomly yelling at my friends "My name? My name is Rei,
Master of the South Dipper Waterfowl school!" The fact
that he's slicing up villians during this line is what
makes it, IMO. Rei has one of the best oufits in HnK, if
not the best. And, his fight with Yuda was exelent and
gave birth to one of the neatest figures ever: the Rei
in the water varient. Shiozawa will be missed greatly.
*Fresh Info* I have just heard that Shiozawa died of
a concussion at age 46.
[ 06-18-2001: Message edited by: Legato Bluesummers ]
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